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kallo bro map is good...but its conjusted and something is wrong with stairs...i stuck on them......welll seems like u have done hardwork ..its good ..

I am never stucked on stairs oO
You talk about bombsites ?

NorthNikko написал:

is it good or?

Or. Ladders is very bad idea, now who first get to higher ladder, is a winner. Also, map looks like unfinished.
One another thing, you should also include .res file, where all needed files are enumerated, and you overview bmp file contains wrong map dimensions (see console on connect)

to reach bombsite there must be open way atleast for 2 to pass .
its easy to kill player who climb ladder to reach bombsites .
ladder is bad bad bad bad bad ..............

NorthNikko написал:

Map looks like unfinished cause of textures

Not only, there are passages with dead ends, also climb up at first step of pyramid, imitating that somebody help you to climb up, and try to go to other respawn point

NorthNikko написал:

Maybe, a door to hide the ladder opening?

No, ladders is bad idea at all, you should replace them with slowly rising passages

slowly rising = stairs? I don't understand

I'll try to change the structure of climbup ways.

Ah ok ! Ill see.

thx bro
Concerning ladders, which ones do you think that I must remove?

I just cant, some ways are unchangeable

it's physically impossible but maybe fantasy possible.

>< I started to modify the map yesterday but cause of material reason - it was 1.00 am and I go to school at 7 - I didnt finish.

I got a full tutorial with Valve Hammer Editor but it's in French. I learnt how to use during two weeks I think and I know master it but I don't know yet how to create textures - I think I'll do to improve my maps...

P.S. : dust2 is crap

Отредактированно NorthNikko (23.05.2012 14:21:51)

de_pyramid

v2beta is here.

Modifications :

- Changed Ts-to-A way, removing ladders and modifying the structure of the way (slow up ways) and of the entrance of the Terrorists (added breakable glass, breakable walls, boxes, etc)
- Deleted 75% of ladders. Only three left and one wont be removed (because it's physically impossible) but in next version I will delete the one that allow B access to CT by a sided way and the one that allow B access to Ts (I will modify B, I just changed A at this point)
- Texture bugs corrected. If you see others please notice me. If you think about other textures somewhere, tell me.
- I got an error with overview, dimensions are same that official maps and it doesnt work...
- Added a ligh in CT stairs
- Some minor modifications that I don't remember at this moment. (expl closing B to A sided way)

Отредактированно NorthNikko (24.05.2012 00:22:41)

File>Download (left hand corner) or CTRL + S

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0ByRyu1 … 2MxYXFzV1U

No time to check...

sorry! i also dont check it

I dont know how to add spawns ><

cstrike / overviews / Thumbs.db
This file is not needed, delete it next time before upload

Okay, just finished checking, new version is better, but there are still a couple of problems.
First of all, that window from CT side on site B, T have no chances to get to B through the door, you either need to add second entrance from T, or remove that window.
Second, you should change textures on breakable wall so players can recognize that those wall can be destroyed, I found this by occasion, while checking for visual artifacts. And speaking about them, here is an example:

NorthNikko написал:

(Huh what do you mean, visual artifacts?)

Lines and light on ceiling

NorthNikko написал:

I cant do anything, except remodelize the block.

Nobody say that creating of good map is easy

now its looks like map to be played ...nice work bro what u think px ?

Here is the spawn file if you want to play DM - i recommand it to you, I tried it and it works well vs bots.
I saw some minor bugs that I'll correct when youll tell me what is wrong now.

Отредактированно NorthNikko (03.06.2012 20:17:06)

(Google trad my friend )
I dunno, the decal turns alone >< I'll correct it.

EDIT : I cant ><
EDIT 2 : Done :o

Отредактированно NorthNikko (10.06.2012 13:10:58)

So the long awaited review is finally here, and I think I have a lot of suggestions for you to improve your map.

First of all, I really loved the textures and the fact that the map is different - very attractive little map that I would enjoy play at a server. However, there are a ton of things you need to improve:

1. SIZE, and I cannot stress this enough if I tried - let me try to explain. The bombsites, the re-spawns and overall connective area (no idea of MID/CENTER in the map) are too small. To put this in perspective, I cannot:

a) Throw a he grenade without damaging an ally in either of the bombsites, or I have to be pro
b) Distance of fire is limited to short and medium - absolutely no long distance skill involved. Not saying that every map should accommodate AWP, but this map certainly is limited to quick reaction and mass kills on key places of the map
c) Take a look at well-known maps and see what makes them so playable even at competitive level. Keep in mind the area of movement and the amount of places to hide/use as cover and various entrances and exits to and from bombsites:

i) De_Dust2: Large MID area, different towering opportunities, large re-spawn locations that CONNECT to the map itself - in your map, as soon as you leave them, they are not in use, and even if they were, they are just plain field in shooting perspective. Large A and B bomb sites, making sure AWP can be deployed, and there is enough room for many teammates to position themselves. I played your map 6v6 with bots and man, it was a bloodbath - nowhere to go.
ii) De_Aztec: Plenty of space in water, huge re-spawns and bombsites that fit the server, where we usually have 8v8 or 9v9 matches going on. Everyone's location is not revealed instantly - lot of skill is involved in listening and trying to identify locations.
iii) De_Nuke: Massive shootout arena in so-called YARD/outside of A bomb site. AWP/FB's/HE's/SMOKE are accommodated perfectly.

Try to take those elements from the other maps and incorporate in yours. If there was one thing to change and I had to just say in one sentence, I would say, if there is a command Stretch/Re-size, just do 150% on your map and it should be fine

Since you are quite detailed as per your map, I am sure you will focus on what can be improved area by area, so besides making larger blocks for your bombsites etc., my second point follows:

2. At B bombsite, the camping area is too simplistic: it will be wall banged so badly that no one will have any possibility to camp there - instead of that, you can just expand your bombsite and make some sort of a little sphynx base on the right side of CT's entrance to B site. In addition, think of what else would be appropriate: since this is a pyramid, tunnels are plenty, so install some 'ventilation' tubes throughout that would connect bombsites, try to implement cs_assault example. In addition to camping area, just make the site bigger, trust me, it is a wreck (BUT I LOVE YOUR IDEA, don't get me wrong)

3. At A bombsite, there is nowhere to hide: put MASSIVE boxes in the middle of that area, make A (or B) bombsite as a hidden treasure hideout, therefore put massive piles of boxes all over the place, make holes in the walls, ventilation tubes that lead to the bombsite (as per de_nuke at b bombsite)

4. Try to think of a MID area in the map, some place that bombsite could connect better as opposed to just running around the whole map. I am always for second level in the map - something like was done in this map MOTOZAVOD in area A.

But the whole thing comes down to - SIZE/AREA/CONNECTIVE AREAS/EXIT-ENTRANCE/AWP-HE-FLASH-ability

I really like the style, textures, and the concept and idea of the map so you can make it a great one to play. In fact, it is already better than trash metal in my opinion, but if you just improve it a lot from this point, I am sure Px will use it in IPT Low+High.

One quick notice on textures: behind the glass at A bombsite, the hieroglyphic textures are stretched, sort them out

Hope this helps,

EarL

Fair point about de_aztec (but could have used many other maps to support my views, though), but in general don't you think, actually playing with bots or players, the area in each bombsite is a bit squeezed? Feels like in B site what would happen is either a bloodbath and a quick win for either of the teams, or bomb-plant and T camping behind that one wall and doors, where HE would fly all over the place and terrorists would simply be wall-killed. In my opinion there definitely needs to be some exit to the site that could connect, through ventilations or otherwise, to A bombsite or a possible Middle area.

I really do like the map in general as it is different and original. How it would play in server is really a matter of testing. Try adding bots and observing their play/participate to see if you want to change dimensions yourself

Actually I tested the map 10vs10 bots and that is true that the map is a little smaller. I will try to answer all points you suggested :
- the respawns will not change. In my mind, all the fights must be inside the pyramid and not outside. The only way I cand change respawns is to connect them each other, which would be a "bloodbath" as you say. I can probably add some connection to th pyramid wich permit the CTs/Ts to access A bombsite by the outside (for example with stairs or an inclinated plane) but I really think it's a bad Idea.
- (I found another hieroglyph picture that would maybe make a good texture, if I can convert it to viable Wally texture I'll add it)
- I'm thinking about adding a mid-way for long time. I approximatly know where I must place it but not the elements that will take place in. However if you have got any idea, just tell it.
- I can add a second Ts to B way, that's not a prob and I already started to do that some days ago but I finally removed it because of a bsp bug - finally it was a texture but I don't have got the previous version. If I add a third way to B, I will make the site bigger, and maybe with more stuff in - I found a nice anubis model on the internet, it will be a good add if my comp wants to display it.
- about distance of shooting, I see that there is a problem (only two long distance views : from the box at the left of CTtoAstairs to the window at the right of TS stairs and from the top of the TstoA way to the down and opposite). If I make a mid way Ill make it long to allow awps.
- Concerning HEs I agree too, but actually I dunno how to change the HEs spots.
- Concerning flashbangs too.
- I just cant physically make A bigger (its sided from all the sides by ways). I disagree your mind that you cant hide, there are many places : between boxes, at the bottom of Ts entrance window you can hide near the box, at the box near CT toA stairs, behind the wall that sides at the right ct stairs, ...
- There is not resize command but actually I can group all blocks and make it bigger, but its not the solution because guys will look too small vs the walls and bugs will maybe occur.
- Connecting A 1 B? I will think about.

Really big thanks to you to take the time to test the map and to comment it.

version 5.0

Changes :

1.) Material changes

- Modified de_pyramid.wad
- Modified de_pyramid.spawns.cfg
- Deleted overview, will NOT be re added later (not used in IPT High, very hard to make a useful one (two levels)

2.) Map changes

a) A site

- re organized box on the left of the CT stairs
- moved boxes in the corridor, awp now available
- added a way at the right which allows ct to spam Ts entrance with awp, i let you see what I mean
- added a ladder in Ts way which allow Ts to climb up at a second level in A site that I added.


b) B site

- Added a second Ts to B way that divide itself in 3 ways with breakable walls. Awp can be used here. CT can access this way from the site. After some tests it appears that planting on B is now very tactical.
- Added a BtoA tube with a ladder inside.
- Modified some textures.
- Corrected visual artifact bug.

I will first close the glass window that is on the right on the picture : first I added it in order to add some light in the corridor but I got the idea to open an aeration tube to the outside after and I forgot to remove the window.
Concerning timing after 2 hours of test I think you are right then I will make the CTtoA way a little longer. Or maybe I will add a second Ts to A way and a second CT to A way.

Is B a good plant now?

perhaps you could implant it to High and low for testing?

Harmony написал:

perhaps you could implant it to High and low for testing?

That's would be possible only when map reach it's "final" state, in other case after each change we must change also it's name...

And after first test as de_pyramid_test2, and after third...
There are more effective ways to pollute users maps folder

Oh fu , heres the good one ><
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0ByRyu1 … 1gxdElrYk0

Now that is one fun map - I really like the way you have expanded it, I think it is wonderful. I love the B area, the hallway that opens up to TS side, expanded everything, installed a connection, even A site is much more spacious now. I don't even know what much to suggest, use your own imagination on what you can polish up, but this, in my opinion, is a very playable map.

Hopefully once you've followed Px suggestions and made sure everything runs clean, we can try it out on the server. It pretty much looks server-ready to me. Breakable walls tend to be a tiny bit too much, so if you removed just a couple of them, at B site unlocking that long tunnel towards TS side, that's about all from me

You should do more maps, in such a short period you've managed to make this? Nice

Kallo,

I've got an idea - obviously that wall won't prevent any awp from taking you out - it's just a long corridor. Why don't you do something that is done in de_rage, where the corridor is split into two hallways with some obstacles? That way you have a chance to come closer to the awp.

EarL

version 5.2

Changes :

- A site

actually you can spam the window from ct stairs.

At last got time and test all three last versions, in general, map almost complete and I can put it on server for testing after removing remaining small inconsistencies.
1. In previous review I said, that plant B is ok, but after running there back and forth I understand, that T don't have direct "silent" way, so I propose to replace a breakable wall on right side of screenshot below with simple doorway (without door)
2. When I run on new inclined panes from T resp, I get strange "jumping" effect, see attached demo.
3. Now, when pyramid "steps" is "unlocked", empty endings on steps is completely not understandable, see same demo end. That's not a critical problem, disallowing map release, but inconsistency from my point of view.
That's all, after fixing at least 1 and 2 I would put map on server for testing

Okay, all looks fine, I upload map on server with name de_pyramid_beta for testing and put it two times in Saturday and Monday mapcycles, let's see how people react on it

Px написал:

Okay, all looks fine, I upload map on server with name de_pyramid_beta for testing and put it two times in Saturday and Monday mapcycles, let's see how people react on it

consider yes

4) Bomb is too powerful, need to reduce
5) Glass window from CT side on A plant should be removed

This one

version 6.0

Changes :

- Added a new room. Its full of boxes and it allows new strategies concerning B site.
- Modified CT spawn to allow CT to go faster in the pyramid
- Modified TS to UP A way to make it a little longer
- Corrected some minor bugs
- Changed some textures (=> de_pyramid.wad replaced by pyramid.wad)


Now, the map is very equilibrate.

Отредактированно NorthNikko (13.07.2012 15:38:01)

neige.wad is not used in the map??? why is it needed? Ill check it later, there is a problem (I created neige.wad for an other map... neige means snow in french ><)
If you test the map and then its put on server... then you dont need to re-dl the file because the game check if the filename is present in cstrike folder, also this is OK. concerning dir pollution, seriously, who cares of 1 more file?

First one: breakable wall and crate at screenshot below must be replaced with another inclined pane construction.
Second: on bottom of ladder, which connects A and B add small area, same as on top

First one seems good, Ill try it. Second i don't really understand what you mean but I am ok there is a problem here.

From my point of view the map is not complicated at all. I know it and its small. If you play it some hours you will see that it's not complicated. Morever I see that this new room is a problem to plant at B and allows TS to rush A by behind and B to easly so maybe i will remove ts to this room entrance and make this room a corridor which would be a CT to B second entrance, as long as TS have got 2 B entrance too.

if i dont rename de_pyramid.wad players will see some violet and black textures in case of seeing new ones except if they remove their ancient wad.
I think neige is a bug, Ill check it after lunch.

Are you sre that all beta players will check the forum?

The terrors have way to many camp places when they plan on A site it's virtually impossible to defuse the bomb...bad map in my opinion...

Выбить Т с верхней закладки практически нереально.
Только если боты.

Т не только первые за А забегают, они еще успевают перекрыть все выходы со стороны КТ.
А узкие проходы делают флэш очень эффективным.
Путь КТ к А - только узкие коридоры - полностью перекрывается. Там даже стрелять не обязательно, достаточно каждые 5 сек бросать флэш.

(pls translate)

Sorry, I didnt have time to correct map... Ill correct this week

Skunk написал:

А почему она не стоит на сервере?

Потому что в ней другие проблемы нашлись, человеку захотелось плант Б доработать, вышел ужас, я там выше отписал ему, что надо откатить назад, и будет финальная версия, которую поставим вместо той, что сейчас

Google trad is so bad to translate russian to french...

Yes and I think that russian expressions are different that french ones so the word to word translation doesnt make sense...

3rAs3r написал:

Post a vote here about the map and you will see

opinions of something like 1% of playing people

Px написал:

1%

All of the regular players think it sucks.. But no matter,thx for at least bringing DE Priest back

A couple of players popped up an idea to ban Kalloway until he make full release

svitl0 написал:

fine and more or less balanced now.

its not balanced at all
Ts have advantage in bombsite A and sometimes CTs cant stop them even when they camp in good positions

svitl0 написал:

im not saying the map is not good but im saying it needs an adjustment

NorthNikko написал:

Guys you know I have got a life?

this is sooo unprofessional

Here it is

Buy glasses

DUDE the biggest problem of this map is:
ITS TOO NARROW

NorthNikko
1) I didn't say that map works bad, I explain why wad file must be same as on beta, don't make me repeat that again, please
2) Upper area is fine

Px написал:

1) I didn't say that map works bad, I explain why wad file must be same as on beta, don't make me repeat that again, please

Technically can you please send me the beta wad?

tnx, its ok

It's christmas

This is the bombsite, how does it look?

Nooo I just see there is snow on cs.iptcom.net so in my stupid mind it means "it's christmas !"

NorthNikko написал:

This is the bombsite, how does it look?

well, its all covered with blood so i cant see anything i'll just wait till i play it

Why not? Am in holiday and the map is currently being compiled.. ok this is not a complete version